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Green_Forest
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• Tulsa, OK, USA |
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 Posted:6/10/2005 09:17 |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | JohnBoy...where did you get your remote stater installed and what brand? Also, should I be concerned about voiding my warranty with a programmer? If, not then the Edge chip seems to be a good choice. What about intake modifications?
If it were you guys, what would your first mod be? |
My first mod was an alarm and a remote start. I have a Viper 550 ESP alarm/remote start system. The remote has 2-way communication so you know if the alarm goes off and you can also see if your vehicle is started, too (great for when you don't have line of site with it).
I personally would not put a chip in at this point unless you do other modifications to the transmission like an aftermarket torque converter and valve body. My transmission died at 87K and when I had the X towed into Ford (I left the chip installed), they voided my warranty on the spot due to an installation of the chip. $3000 later, I was back on the road minus warranty. I even paid for 100K extended warranty and they voided it. I did not do any towing, just around town and highway driving.
If you do go with the chip, make sure to remove it before bringing it to the dealer so they are not encouraged to void any warranty on your X.
I'd look into an AFE aftermarket intake/air filter. This and other brands replace the entire air box to allow for cooler air intake and much more surface area on the air filter vs. the panel filter in the air intake box that comes from the factory. |
I would personally not mess with air intake on a 6.0L PSD engine. The stock Donaldson air filter and duct work is an excellent engineering piece. You will compromise filtration with most aftermarket products. Take it from a mechanical engineer specializing in filtration. |
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Lance214
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• Dallas, TX, USA |
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• Registered on 6/2/2005 |
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Posted:6/10/2005 09:35 |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | JohnBoy...where did you get your remote stater installed and what brand? Also, should I be concerned about voiding my warranty with a programmer? If, not then the Edge chip seems to be a good choice. What about intake modifications?
If it were you guys, what would your first mod be? |
My first mod was an alarm and a remote start. I have a Viper 550 ESP alarm/remote start system. The remote has 2-way communication so you know if the alarm goes off and you can also see if your vehicle is started, too (great for when you don't have line of site with it).
I personally would not put a chip in at this point unless you do other modifications to the transmission like an aftermarket torque converter and valve body. My transmission died at 87K and when I had the X towed into Ford (I left the chip installed), they voided my warranty on the spot due to an installation of the chip. $3000 later, I was back on the road minus warranty. I even paid for 100K extended warranty and they voided it. I did not do any towing, just around town and highway driving.
If you do go with the chip, make sure to remove it before bringing it to the dealer so they are not encouraged to void any warranty on your X.
I'd look into an AFE aftermarket intake/air filter. This and other brands replace the entire air box to allow for cooler air intake and much more surface area on the air filter vs. the panel filter in the air intake box that comes from the factory. |
I would personally not mess with air intake on a 6.0L PSD engine. The stock Donaldson air filter and duct work is an excellent engineering piece. You will compromise filtration with most aftermarket products. Take it from a mechanical engineer specializing in filtration. |
I hear what you'r e saying, but if I'm going to change the the exhaust at somepoint, wouldn't I need to modify the intake to see maximum benefit? |
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Green_Forest
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• Tulsa, OK, USA |
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• Registered on 5/13/2005 |
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Posted:6/10/2005 11:07 |
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No need to modify the air intake to get whatever little benefit is offered by exhaust changes. The stock Donaldson design is excellent for filtration and for low restriction. I have yet to change mine after 54K in operation. In my opinion, diesel engines don't benefit appreciably from these flow improvements. That is primarily because torque is the name of the game and any flow improvements only add a few HP at high RPM. Most of what you want to do is to improve "launch"--which is torque.
Again, my opinion is that the biggest improvements to be made to the "X" come from suspension mods to get the rear axle under control. The "X" wanders around basically because of rear axle wrap and body roll. I recommend you attack these symptoms before spending more on the abundant torque / power the engine already has. Start with a Hellwig anti-roll bar and then add Landyot's radius rods.
(| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | JohnBoy...where did you get your remote stater installed and what brand? Also, should I be concerned about voiding my warranty with a programmer? If, not then the Edge chip seems to be a good choice. What about intake modifications?
If it were you guys, what would your first mod be? |
My first mod was an alarm and a remote start. I have a Viper 550 ESP alarm/remote start system. The remote has 2-way communication so you know if the alarm goes off and you can also see if your vehicle is started, too (great for when you don't have line of site with it).
I personally would not put a chip in at this point unless you do other modifications to the transmission like an aftermarket torque converter and valve body. My transmission died at 87K and when I had the X towed into Ford (I left the chip installed), they voided my warranty on the spot due to an installation of the chip. $3000 later, I was back on the road minus warranty. I even paid for 100K extended warranty and they voided it. I did not do any towing, just around town and highway driving.
If you do go with the chip, make sure to remove it before bringing it to the dealer so they are not encouraged to void any warranty on your X.
I'd look into an AFE aftermarket intake/air filter. This and other brands replace the entire air box to allow for cooler air intake and much more surface area on the air filter vs. the panel filter in the air intake box that comes from the factory. |
I would personally not mess with air intake on a 6.0L PSD engine. The stock Donaldson air filter and duct work is an excellent engineering piece. You will compromise filtration with most aftermarket products. Take it from a mechanical engineer specializing in filtration. |
I hear what you'r e saying, but if I'm going to change the the exhaust at somepoint, wouldn't I need to modify the intake to see maximum benefit? |
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Lance214
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• Dallas, TX, USA |
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• Registered on 6/2/2005 |
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Posted:6/10/2005 11:31 |
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It sounds like you have some good knowledge of the flow systems on your X! My 05 X came stock with a sway bar. Would you still recommend the other two suspension improvements you mentioned?
Also, have you added horsepower & torque to your X with any "chip" modifications?
| Quote: | No need to modify the air intake to get whatever little benefit is offered by exhaust changes. The stock Donaldson design is excellent for filtration and for low restriction. I have yet to change mine after 54K in operation. In my opinion, diesel engines don't benefit appreciably from these flow improvements. That is primarily because torque is the name of the game and any flow improvements only add a few HP at high RPM. Most of what you want to do is to improve "launch"--which is torque.
Again, my opinion is that the biggest improvements to be made to the "X" come from suspension mods to get the rear axle under control. The "X" wanders around basically because of rear axle wrap and body roll. I recommend you attack these symptoms before spending more on the abundant torque / power the engine already has. Start with a Hellwig anti-roll bar and then add Landyot's radius rods.
(| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | JohnBoy...where did you get your remote stater installed and what brand? Also, should I be concerned about voiding my warranty with a programmer? If, not then the Edge chip seems to be a good choice. What about intake modifications?
If it were you guys, what would your first mod be? |
My first mod was an alarm and a remote start. I have a Viper 550 ESP alarm/remote start system. The remote has 2-way communication so you know if the alarm goes off and you can also see if your vehicle is started, too (great for when you don't have line of site with it).
I personally would not put a chip in at this point unless you do other modifications to the transmission like an aftermarket torque converter and valve body. My transmission died at 87K and when I had the X towed into Ford (I left the chip installed), they voided my warranty on the spot due to an installation of the chip. $3000 later, I was back on the road minus warranty. I even paid for 100K extended warranty and they voided it. I did not do any towing, just around town and highway driving.
If you do go with the chip, make sure to remove it before bringing it to the dealer so they are not encouraged to void any warranty on your X.
I'd look into an AFE aftermarket intake/air filter. This and other brands replace the entire air box to allow for cooler air intake and much more surface area on the air filter vs. the panel filter in the air intake box that comes from the factory. |
I would personally not mess with air intake on a 6.0L PSD engine. The stock Donaldson air filter and duct work is an excellent engineering piece. You will compromise filtration with most aftermarket products. Take it from a mechanical engineer specializing in filtration. |
I hear what you'r e saying, but if I'm going to change the the exhaust at somepoint, wouldn't I need to modify the intake to see maximum benefit? |
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Aug250
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• Miami, FL, USA |
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• Registered on 4/15/2005 |
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Posted:6/10/2005 11:45 |
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Actually Lance, I have been doing some research on these trucks since I bought mine and I have to disagree as far as the donaldson system is concerned. I have read several articles and several post in different websites concerning problems with the stock intake and the way the filter mounts. This I have taken as being true since Ford has Even issued several TSB's concerning the filter and even says a 5/8" gap at the base is acceptable. Also just try to remove your filter and you'll see that the design is flawed, There are people every were missing chunks off they're knuckles because of the great design. There is also a great post on The Deisel Stop about the AFE progaurd 7 filter and how it compares to the stock filter and other after market filters. Just my two cents.
Augie
2005 EX 6.0 4X4 EB, 3" DR, 33" MT ATZ's, Landyot RR, Hoodblanket, Weather stripping mod, Zoodad, MBRP, Outlook, Midland CB, more to come... |
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Lance214
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• Dallas, TX, USA |
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• Registered on 6/2/2005 |
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Posted:6/10/2005 11:57 |
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Augie...
Thanks for the input! Iread some of the posts at diesel stop and it seems that some recommend replacing the stock Donaldson intake only if you are changing the fuel mixtures with a chip. Have you modified you X intake? If so, with what product?
Any other mods that you have made?
LT
| Quote: | Actually Lance, I have been doing some research on these trucks since I bought mine and I have to disagree as far as the donaldson system is concerned. I have read several articles and several post in different websites concerning problems with the stock intake and the way the filter mounts. This I have taken as being true since Ford has Even issued several TSB's concerning the filter and even says a 5/8" gap at the base is acceptable. Also just try to remove your filter and you'll see that the design is flawed, There are people every were missing chunks off they're knuckles because of the great design. There is also a great post on The Deisel Stop about the AFE progaurd 7 filter and how it compares to the stock filter and other after market filters. Just my two cents.
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JohnBoy
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• DFW, TX, USA |
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• Registered on 9/3/2002 |
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Posted:6/10/2005 16:33 |
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Have to agree with Green forest on this one...
the stock intake IS good and now that I have found replacements for a LOT less than the stealership [email protected] $55 or $37 for the air filter... @
www.trademotion.com/partlocator/index.cfm?action=searchAccessory&siteid=214083
and that I've just replaced my original filter @ 50k+ miles... I'm staying with donaldson...
and my dyno runs prove it flows well enough for MY uses....
375 RWhp & 720 lbft are more than enough for my stock tranny to live with....
So, the big debate about intake continues though 
have fun !
2005 6.0L 4x4 Eddie Bauer Ex
2003 6.0L 4x4 Limited Ex - traded in (BooHoo )
"The Republicans should back off and let men marry men, women marry women, and legalize abortion. In three generations there would be no Democrats." |
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Green_Forest
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• Tulsa, OK, USA |
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• Registered on 5/13/2005 |
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Posted:6/10/2005 21:53 |
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The Donaldson design air intake filter may very well be hard to change. Can't disagree with this statement. The air filter designers are usually the "last ones in" to the engine compartment and have to live with whatever space is left to them.
But, if you get > 50K mies on each filter, it really is not that big of a deal--except when you are the one scraping your knuckles.
My argument is straightforward. The air filter is, by a wide margin, the most important filter on the truck, followed by the fuel filter(s). If you slow the ingression of particles, you definitely reduce the wear rate of the engine. Why would you want to mess with such a good filter? Does anybody have data to know that they don't harm the engine? |
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E. Long
 
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• Atlanta, GA, USA |
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Green_Forest
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• Tulsa, OK, USA |
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• Registered on 5/13/2005 |
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• 9 posts |
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Posted:6/13/2005 23:31 |
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| Quote: | It sounds like you have some good knowledge of the flow systems on your X! My 05 X came stock with a sway bar. Would you still recommend the other two suspension improvements you mentioned?
Also, have you added horsepower & torque to your X with any "chip" modifications?
| Quote: | No need to modify the air intake to get whatever little benefit is offered by exhaust changes. The stock Donaldson design is excellent for filtration and for low restriction. I have yet to change mine after 54K in operation. In my opinion, diesel engines don't benefit appreciably from these flow improvements. That is primarily because torque is the name of the game and any flow improvements only add a few HP at high RPM. Most of what you want to do is to improve "launch"--which is torque.
Again, my opinion is that the biggest improvements to be made to the "X" come from suspension mods to get the rear axle under control. The "X" wanders around basically because of rear axle wrap and body roll. I recommend you attack these symptoms before spending more on the abundant torque / power the engine already has. Start with a Hellwig anti-roll bar and then add Landyot's radius rods.
(| Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | | Quote: | JohnBoy...where did you get your remote stater installed and what brand? Also, should I be concerned about voiding my warranty with a programmer? If, not then the Edge chip seems to be a good choice. What about intake modifications?
If it were you guys, what would your first mod be? |
My first mod was an alarm and a remote start. I have a Viper 550 ESP alarm/remote start system. The remote has 2-way communication so you know if the alarm goes off and you can also see if your vehicle is started, too (great for when you don't have line of site with it).
I personally would not put a chip in at this point unless you do other modifications to the transmission like an aftermarket torque converter and valve body. My transmission died at 87K and when I had the X towed into Ford (I left the chip installed), they voided my warranty on the spot due to an installation of the chip. $3000 later, I was back on the road minus warranty. I even paid for 100K extended warranty and they voided it. I did not do any towing, just around town and highway driving.
If you do go with the chip, make sure to remove it before bringing it to the dealer so they are not encouraged to void any warranty on your X.
I'd look into an AFE aftermarket intake/air filter. This and other brands replace the entire air box to allow for cooler air intake and much more surface area on the air filter vs. the panel filter in the air intake box that comes from the factory. |
I would personally not mess with air intake on a 6.0L PSD engine. The stock Donaldson air filter and duct work is an excellent engineering piece. You will compromise filtration with most aftermarket products. Take it from a mechanical engineer specializing in filtration. |
I hear what you'r e saying, but if I'm going to change the the exhaust at somepoint, wouldn't I need to modify the intake to see maximum benefit? |
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Lance214, Sorry for not replying to your question about suspension. Got lost in the argument over stock air intake...
At any rate, if you have a Ford anti-roll bar, you will still see noticeable stability improvement(s) by adding the Radius Rods. If you tow, I also would recommend air lift bags. The Ford anti-roll bar is smaller in diameter than the Hellwig, but is certainly better than what my '03 came with--nothing.
In my opinion, the radius rods correct the directional stability issue(s) with the 4x4 on the highway. Far and away, this was the most noticeable modification I have ever done to any vehicle.
Also, I have found that the air lift bags, when lightly pressurized (say 5 - 10 psig), actually improve the ride of the "X". I don't know the exact reason except to guess that the air bags "re-arc" the stock springs and then take on the inital loading from a bump, as the springs are actually doing less until re-compressed again. I put the bags on because I wanted a level ride when towing my travel trailer. They work great for that too (I pressurize after tensioning spring bars on WD hitch). |
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