SRO2000X
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 Posted:11/16/2003 23:48 |
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Hi all, The subject should read " Warped Rotors"
I bought a new 2000 X Limited V10 4x4 and after 10K mile my brakes started to pulse. I was out of town and stopped by a Ford dealer to have them check the brakes and the Steeltex tires. It was right when all the Firestone trouble started.
Of course they said there was nothing wrong and I went on my way. Of course the brake problem only got worse. By 22K mile the pulsing was so bad I could launch a drink out of the forward cup holders! So I dropped it off at a local dealer for repair.
They called me back and said they would turn the rotors and replace the pads for ONLY $700.00!!
When I told them the truck was still under warranty they said the brakes weren't covered past 12K miles! So I showed them the work-order from the out of town dealer that I had gone to at 10K miles but they still balked.
So I called Ford.
They said they would cover the cost of turning the rotors and replacing the pads. But I didn't want the warped rotors, turned or not.
I told the dealer I believe that once they warp they're junk. And if you do turn them, not only does it require a LOT of turning to get them true which really reduces the life of the rotor, they will only warp again because its a manufacturing defect in the rotor that caused the warp in the first place. Also I didn't think it was fair that my NEW truck warranty wouldn't cover NEW parts.
The dealer refused to replace the rotors so I called the Ford store that sold me the truck and told them the story. They said bring it to them and they will replace the rotors and pads, no problem.
So I called the guys that still had my truck and told them to put it back together so I could take it to the other dealer to get it fixed right.
This guy goes nuts! He tells me if my selling dealer replaces the parts he will call Ford and report them for fraud!
I couldn't believe it!
As much as I wanted to go get my truck and tell this guy to stuff it I just didn't have the time to go get it and start the process all over again. So I told him I would accept his offer to have the rotors turned but if they started pulsing again he would have to give me all new parts.
Well we all know what happened.
Two days later they were still pulsing and I made them give me new rotors and pads. I don't think they even turned them right in the first place.
It would have cost them WAY less to fix it right the first time.
The point of all this is I now have 31K miles on my new rotors and they don't pulse.
As I said above, I believe that once they warp they're junk and should be thrown out!
I have read about many owners that have had to turn there rotors every 10K miles and I think they will never get rid of the warping till they get rid of the bad rotors.
This may explain why some owners have even had warped ART rotors. Some times you just get a bad part. I would think the quality of the ART rotors is much better that the OEM but you could still get a bad one every once in a while. I read a reply from ART about an owner with warped ART rotors and they said to check "this and that" to try and find the problem and that they had not had a rotor warp for no reason. Maybe. But it could also just be a one in a million bad part. I think the OEM parts aren't as good so we see this much more often.
My rotors don't pulse so I don't need to replace them. But if I did I would probably get the ART rotors because odds are they are right from the start and wont warp.
But if they did I would replace rather than turn them. I have turned rotors that were worn and they work fine but warping is another thing. I cant see any reason why a warped rotor would stop warping just because you cut it down.
If you get a good set, keep em. If you get a bad set, get rid of them.
The sad thing is the Ford should replace a warped rotor, but as we all know they wont do it without a fight even when your truck's still in warranty!
I wonder if ART or any of the other manus will replace a warped rotor?
This is just my opinion on the warped rotor problem.
And oh by the way, Ive never used a torque wrench on my lug nuts and they have been installed from time to time with an impact wrench.
Hope this may help someone with this problem.
Thanks,
SRO2000X
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monsta
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• The Big Island, HI, USA |
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• Registered on 1/5/2002 |
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Posted:11/17/2003 03:34 |
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I believe that my ARTS warped due to inept morons puting on my wheels with a suped-up impact wrench.  Not a bad part.
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SRO2000X
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• Dallas, TX, USA |
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Posted:11/17/2003 17:47 |
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Hi Monsta,
Ive never used a torque wrench on my lug nuts and I have had a impact wrench used on them many times.
How many miles did you get before they warped?
Thanks,
SRO2000X
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monsta
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• The Big Island, HI, USA |
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Posted:11/18/2003 04:53 |
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20K
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rozett
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• Limington, ME, USA |
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Posted:11/18/2003 16:42 |
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All vehicle manufacturers specify the torque of lug nuts for a number of good reasons. Ford even changed the torque specs for the X and notified all owners. If you chose not to follow those specifications, I think you are making a big mistake. There appears to be enough anecdotal experience by members of this forum, that over-torqued lug nuts increase the occurance of warped rotors. I love my ART rotors/pads and will verify the lug not torque every time someone touches my wheels.
//bruce
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SRO2000X
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• Dallas, TX, USA |
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Posted:11/18/2003 17:58 |
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Hi Rozett,
I agree. The right torque should be used.
And now that I've found out about it from this forum I've gone out and bought a torque wrench just for this use.
I just have not had the warping problem since I changed my bad warped rotors for new ones.
I believe the cause of my problem was more from bad parts than any other reason.
And this is why I am having a hard time justifing the cost of all new rotors when mine aren't warped.
It's the old deal "If it anit broke, dont fix it"
But. If the braking performance is better with the after market brakes it would be worth it.
Do you feel they work better?
And Monsta. If you made 20K before they warped, you're probably right, they messed up your rotors.
It seem like all the bad ones start around 10K. After that it seems like there OK.
Are the pads you use with the ART rotors localy avialable?
Thanks,
SRO2000X
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monsta
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• The Big Island, HI, USA |
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Posted:11/18/2003 18:35 |
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ART pads and rotors are OEM. Both are cryogenically treated and the rotors are slotted.
My wife got in a wreck. The left front wheel had to be replaced. When the guys put it back I [i]know[/i] they used an impact wrench! I didn't see it but about 3K later my wife informed me that the pulsing was back.
I was already here in Hawaii by then so there was nothing I could do about it. I ended up selling the truck. I WILL get another set. The braking difference was huge for me. Here in Hawaii, the hills...er...mountains...kill brakes. The heat just warps the crap out of them. Not a whole lot you can do when you drop 1500 ft in a mile and a half. I've already had my Expy rotors turned. Next time it'll be new rotors. I only have 10K on it and the rotors are larger than the Excursion's.
Ford's rotors. 
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• Visalia, CA, USA |
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• Registered on 1/20/2003 |
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Posted:11/19/2003 10:12 |
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I have noticed an improvement in braking since my install of ART's. I will next be installing Steel braided brake lines to see if that will firm up the pedal even more... |
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SRO2000X
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• Dallas, TX, USA |
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Posted:11/19/2003 12:59 |
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Hi Monsta,
You said ART are OEM.
Do you mean they're OEM replacements or are you saying the truck came with them?
Thanks,
SRO2000X
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monsta
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• The Big Island, HI, USA |
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Posted:11/19/2003 15:55 |
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Dean for ART uses OEM parts to treat.
Some may not be exactly from the local FOrd dealer but they are high quality EOM replacement parts.
Bottom line, they are not made in China. 
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