David Monach
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• Orange County, CA, USA |
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• Registered on 6/30/2002 |
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 Posted:10/20/2003 14:22 |
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I have been posting a reading since we were all on the old site. I have seen various group purchase post about the ART rotors and I have seen some disappointing comments about those same rotors.
I have a 01 4x4 V-10 4:30 X and I have 48000 on it so far an love IT....not the brakes  ...I hate them! I do pull a 8,000lbs toy box and I'm sure it doesn't tlike that very much  . But come on! As of this week I will be on the 3rd set in the fronts. The pads are never worse than 70% worn. I feel like I always throw money at brakes that never seem to last. I finally went back to Ford OEM pads and they seem to work the best (I say that tounge in check...more like teeth in lip). The truck does have a 4.5" Edge lift with 315's...not that it should make too much of a difference, but if I'm going to ask my community for help I should give you all the facts.
I am looking for some good duscussion and a common post thread to talk about the 5 years worth of brake successes and failures the "this works greats" and the "Do not try this" For the sake of time and my need to put brakes on this week. Let's start with the "These things are great - sucess stories"
I have been struggling for a personalized licsence plate... I thing "NO BRKS" is in the top 2.
HELP!!!!! Rotten DOG - what have your done????  |
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Phil Eaton
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• Lander, WY, USA |
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• Registered on 4/28/2003 |
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 Posted:10/20/2003 15:05 |
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I have powerstop slotted rottors with z rated performance friction pads with good luck. The pads actually seem to work better when warm as opposed to fading. I need to tell you though that I do not tow often. The towing crowd should be the most help on longevity. |
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Wheels
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• Visalia, CA, USA |
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• Registered on 1/20/2003 |
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Posted:10/20/2003 15:30 |
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My reply is....I got tired of the warping stock rotors, pads are worn out, so I ordered ART's last week. My kit is supposed to be in next week, will hand torque all lug nuts, and cross fingers...  |
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LANDYOT
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• Subscriber since 11/23/2003 |
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• Newport News, VA, USA |
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• Registered on 7/15/2003 |
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Posted:10/20/2003 15:37 |
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When I need to replace mine, I'll be buying from the following link ...
http://www.wheelersoffroad.com/fordbrakes.htm
If you do a search for "cryogenic" on this site, you might find a small dissertation I wrote in praise of cryogenically treated rotors, and PADS, TOO (if you can find them). The USPS (and other fleet operators) uses this treatment to increase brake life 3 or 4 times the normal life. I did a lot of research into this subject when looking for similar treatments for my job (building aircraft carriers & submarines). |
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David Monach
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• Orange County, CA, USA |
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• Registered on 6/30/2002 |
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Posted:10/20/2003 19:57 |
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I found this site today during my research...Soundslike the thing... Does any one think these are reasomable form a price standpoint. I do not have alot to compare it too. Can anyone comment on the difference the Excursion 4WD Cross Drilled/Slotted Front Rotor Set and the 4WD Excursion slotted rotor set?
Can anyone comment on what Phil Eaton says about oppinions form a towing crowd.
Thanks for the current group of feedback...This is what is so cool about the X community. |
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ROBERT PARSON
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• NORTHWEST HOUSTON, TX, USA |
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• Registered on 10/21/2003 |
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Posted:10/21/2003 10:39 |
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I am also in the process of replacing rotors and pads. Mr. Monach, I am emailing both ART and wheeler's for their comments on why there brakes are better than the competition. I will let you know their replies.
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Weatherlite
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• Mountain Home AFB, ID, USA |
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• Registered on 10/21/2002 |
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Posted:10/21/2003 13:07 |
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People with all sorts of rotors are having the same problems...yes even the cryogenically treated ones. I think Eric Long was the first with ARTs to state that they warped. Granted, they lasted like 4 times as long than stock before they warped.
I think the general consensus was that lug nut torque was the key factor. Torquing the nuts to the exact same amount on each and every nut is the key to longevity. Over/under torquing or even just too wide of a variance between lugs can cause major warping.
Fact is, Ford just wasn't thinking when using these tiny rotors. If we would have been given something beefier from the start we wouldn't have to worry about it in the first place. However, since we can't go back and brow beat those *$#@&! engineers I would say that the combo of proper torquing and the purchase of a quality cryo kit would be fine. Which kit is better? Probably remains to be seen but I'd be willing to bet that they are comparable. I haven't had a single issue with the ARTs in over 12,000 miles...but I also don't tow. I do however, see a lot of hills and have to ride the brakes quite often due to the local mountains.
Just my .02
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E. Long
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• Atlanta, GA, USA |
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• Registered on 1/23/2001 |
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Posted:10/21/2003 20:29 |
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I have had OEM rotors and ART rotors warp. Cryogenically frozen rotors are not invincible to warping -- it can happen. Dean explained that you really can't prevent this 100%.
That said, the reason I have determined for my warping problems is, like Mikie mentioned above, is improper torquing of lug nuts.
I went to Sears, spent $60 on a Husky torque wrench, torqued all of my lug nuts to 150 ft-lbs and have not had a problem since.
About a year ago, Ford sent out a notification to Excursion owners (and possible SuperDuty owners) that the torque specifications for lug nuts in the owners manual was incorrectly printed. The revised values were 145-155 ft-lbs. I split the difference and tighten all of mine to 150 ft-lbs.
The Ford dealerships simply do not torque lug nuts down to spec. They use an impact wrench and have at it. For whatever reason, the Excursion beats the crap out of rotors.
-Eric
'67 Galaxie 500 - 390 FE, .030" over, FE to AOD adapter, disc brake conversion. The Daily Driver.
'00 Excursion - 7.3L PSD, LANDYOT Gen-II Radius Rods, Factory Tech Valve Body, 200K+ miles and going |
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Texas4x4
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• Tyler, TX, USA |
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• Registered on 7/25/2003 |
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 Posted:10/22/2003 14:50 |
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I have to hand it to my local Costco. When I was in the waiting area while having the tires replaced on my X, I was reading some of the guidelines they had posted on the wall next to torque specs. It stated that the lugs 1st needed to be torqued to specs then the tech had to have the supervisor go back after the tech and check with the torque wrench to be certain. I watched to make sure it happened and it did. Not to mention their customer service was above par for the typical tire store.
No brake issues on my X!
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cwbyinjeep
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• Atlanta, GA, USA |
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• Registered on 8/5/2003 |
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Posted:10/22/2003 16:02 |
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Well, I hear tons of issues with these rotors and dont know if I am just overlooking it (not likely) or if everyone is expecting the X to handle like a sports car or even and F150. I have a wobble in the front end and thought perhaps the rotors were trashed finally, but come to find out my front right bearing assembly was on its way out at 131k. The pressed bearing front ends on these things leaves much to be desired as there is more inherrant wobbling not having a preloaded taper bearing to keep things straight. This I feel is the cause of front rotor/brake problems. I tow 8-9k pounds regularly with my 00 4x4 psd X and if you guys are towing this much wieght without properly adjusted trailer brakes or no trailer brakes then you shouldnt be saying a word. I cant believe the amount of people out there who hook up to a trailer and dont even give a second thought to having those trailer brakes in working order or have some cheesy not adjustable brake contoller so they could save $30. When I am towing my set up,....the X's brake typically gets used less as the trailer does all the braking I need in a typical highway trip through the N Georgia mountains. I have put well over 20k on my beast in the past year towing 8-9k quite often and have yet to have an issue with the brakes. If the brakes do finally wear out, I may consider the cryogenics, but not until then.
Bobby Wooldridge
BMW Motorcycles of Atlanta
2000 Ford Excursion LTD 4x4/ TTS Performance 3way chip/ Suncoast Transmission& Torque Converter/4"exhaust&downpipe/Autometer/K&N air charger kit/ 33"BFG AllTerrains/Rancho9000's/149k/dual yellow top optimas
1991 Jeep Wrangler/4.0L/Ford HP Dana 60fr/ff dana 60rear/nv3550/AtlasII 4.3/40"boggers/Beadlocks/5.13 gears/Detroits front&rear/dual yellow top optimas/WarnHS9500I/and too many custom doo dads to list |
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