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SRO2000X · 2003-11-16T23:48:54-06:00

Hi all, The subject should read " Warped Rotors" I bought a new 2000 X Limited V10 4x4 and after 10K mile my brakes started to pulse. I was out of town and stopped by a Ford dealer to have them check the brakes and the Steeltex tires. It was right when all the Firestone trouble started. Of course they said there was nothing wrong and I went on my way. Of course the brake problem only got worse. By 22K mile the pulsing was so bad I could launch a drink out of the forward cup holders! So I dropped it off at a local dealer for repair. They called me back and said they would turn the rotors and replace the pads for ONLY $700.00!! When I told them the truck was still under warranty they said the brakes weren't covered past 12K miles! So I showed them the work-order from the out of town dealer that I had gone to at 10K miles but they still balked. So I called Ford. They said they would cover the cost of turning the rotors and replacing the pads. But I didn't want the warped rotors, turned or not. I told the dealer I believe that once they warp they're junk. And if you do turn them, not only does it require a LOT of turning to get them true which really reduces the life of the rotor, they will only warp again because its a manufacturing defect in the rotor that caused the warp in the first place. Also I didn't think it was fair that my NEW truck warranty wouldn't cover NEW parts. The dealer refused to replace the rotors so I called the Ford store that sold me the truck and told them the story. They said bring it to them and they will replace the rotors and pads, no problem. So I called the guys that still had my truck and told them to put it back together so I could take it to the other dealer to get it fixed right. This guy goes nuts! He tells me if my selling dealer replaces the parts he will call Ford and report them for fraud! I couldn't believe it! As much as I wanted to go get my truck and tell this guy to stuff it I just didn't have the time to go get it and start the process all over again. So I told him I would accept his offer to have the rotors turned but if they started pulsing again he would have to give me all new parts. Well we all know what happened. Two days later they were still pulsing and I made them give me new rotors and pads. I don't think they even turned them right in the first place. It would have cost them WAY less to fix it right the first time. The point of all this is I now have 31K miles on my new rotors and they don't pulse. As I said above, I believe that once they warp they're junk and should be thrown out! I have read about many owners that have had to turn there rotors every 10K miles and I think they will never get rid of the warping till they get rid of the bad rotors. This may explain why some owners have even had warped ART rotors. Some times you just get a bad part. I would think the quality of the ART rotors is much better that the OEM but you could still get a bad one every once in a while. I read a reply from ART about an owner with warped ART rotors and they said to check "this and that" to try and find the problem and that they had not had a rotor warp for no reason. Maybe. But it could also just be a one in a million bad part. I think the OEM parts aren't as good so we see this much more often. My rotors don't pulse so I don't need to replace them. But if I did I would probably get the ART rotors because odds are they are right from the start and wont warp. But if they did I would replace rather than turn them. I have turned rotors that were worn and they work fine but warping is another thing. I cant see any reason why a warped rotor would stop warping just because you cut it down. If you get a good set, keep em. If you get a bad set, get rid of them. The sad thing is the Ford should replace a warped rotor, but as we all know they wont do it without a fight even when your truck's still in warranty! I wonder if ART or any of the other manus will replace a warped rotor? This is just my opinion on the warped rotor problem. And oh by the way, Ive never used a torque wrench on my lug nuts and they have been installed from time to time with an impact wrench. Hope this may help someone with this problem.

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foolinjected

• Panama City, FL, USA

• Registered on 11/21/2003

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Posted:11/21/2003 14:29

Hey everyone FNG here and I joined this forum just minutes ago for this exact reason. I have a 2k Limited and the rotors just went bad at 40k miles. I am in the military and can't afford the ART's but I heard that you can buy a name brand replacement rotor and cut off the dust plate which adds air flow and everything will be fine. Has anyone done this ? Did I get lucky to get this many miles ? Thank you for any responses.

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rozett

• Limington, ME, USA

• Registered on 1/10/2003

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Posted:11/22/2003 08:33

I have about 10k miles on my set of ART brakes and I am very happy with them. I've had two occaisions to panic stop. On both occaisions I was expecting a collision. In both cases the X stopped on time and in my opinion, better than the stock parts. Fortunately neither of them were pulling the horse trailer.

//bruce

2000 Excursion Limited V10 4x4
ART brakes, Rancho RSX shocks, Hellwig rear sway bar, SD grille, V10 badges, Sylvania Silverstars, clear corners, and Bridgestone Dueler A/T REVO 285s.

David Moore

• Houston, TX, USA

• Registered on 10/24/2003

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Posted:11/22/2003 18:19

I'm a bit skeptical about warped rotors being caused by improper torquing. I can say for sure, on my 2000 2WD, it has made no difference. I take it to the local tire shop every 3,000 to 5,000 miles to have the tires balanced and rotated, and I know the guys there use an impact wrench on the lugs. So in our 51,000 miles, the wheels have been mounted between 10 and 15 times without torquing to specs. I'm not promoting that, but it hasn't caused on rotor warping for me.

edited 11/22/2003 18:19

monsta

• The Big Island, HI, USA

• Registered on 1/5/2002

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Posted:11/22/2003 20:24

It was the only thing that coulda caused it on mine.

Which wheels do you have?

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David Moore

• Houston, TX, USA

• Registered on 10/24/2003

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Posted:11/22/2003 21:14

I have the stock wheels, for the Limited.

Michael Gail

• Sierra Madre, CA, USA

• Registered on 5/1/2003

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Posted:11/23/2003 18:43

Last weekend I had the tires rotated on my '02 Limited 4X4. Yes, my brakes used to pulsate quite a bit on light pedal pressure. This time I stood and watched the mechanic use a torque wrench on my wheels. They are tightened to 155 lbs. The pulsation is now different. It is only slight now. I was going to take the EX to the dealer only now it's not so bad. Hardly noticable at all. Go figure.

Mike
'02 EX, Limited, 4X4 , PSD, Nitto, Terra Grapplers 295/16, K&N Air Filter, Billet Grill, Hidden Hitch. Magnaflow SS Exhaust system with 3.5" downpipe, 4" main and 5" tip. Banks Six-Gun Power Module, Banks TransCommand.

E. Long

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• Atlanta, GA, USA

• Registered on 1/23/2001

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Posted:11/24/2003 20:17

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I don't do any towing, just a lot of driving...and it's not particularly hilly here so I would not consider my driving to be any type of extreme conditions like the elevation differences that Monsta experiences in Hawaii. With that said, I had my stock rotors turned 2 times under the 36K mile warranty. I never verified the torque specs but know for sure that the mechanics did not use a torque wrench to torque down the lug nuts.

Even with ART rotors I had warping problems again. As soon as I took the tire rotating out of the hands of the Ford technicians, I haven't had a problem since. I torque my lug nuts to 150 ft-lbs. All is well for the last 40k miles. Pretty good considering it was about every 10K that I would be experiencing extreme pulsating problems.

Just my experience.

-Eric

'67 Galaxie 500 - 390 FE, .030" over, FE to AOD adapter, disc brake conversion. The Daily Driver.
'00 Excursion - 7.3L PSD, LANDYOT Gen-II Radius Rods, Factory Tech Valve Body, 200K+ miles and going

SRO2000X

• Dallas, TX, USA

• Registered on 11/16/2003

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Posted:11/28/2003 23:10

Hi All,

At 53K miles I have about an 1/8in left on my original rear brake pads so I went and bought a new set of OEM pads today.

If you read my original post you know I had replaced the front rotors and pads due to warping at about 23k miles. That gives me 30K miles on the front oem rotors with no warping and a lot of pad left and 53K miles on the original rear pads and rotors with no warping yet.

Since all my rotors are still good I decided not to go for the ART parts.

They may perform better but my oem parts have served me well in the stopping department so I didnt see the need to spend the extra cash on them.

Thanks,

SRO2000X

I love my truck!

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Richard Smith

• Knoxville, TN, USA

• Registered on 10/4/2003

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Posted:11/30/2003 07:21

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I have noticed an improvement in braking since my install of ART's. I will next be installing Steel braided brake lines to see if that will firm up the pedal even more...

Wheels - I have an O3 Ex with a V-10. I have installed PFC Pads and the improvement is remarkable. What I want to reduce now is the spongy travel of about 2 inches of pedal travel after the brakes take hold. I put Russell S/S braided lines on my modified 1981 Futura and reduced the pedal travel by 2/3. As soon as Russell releases S/S braided lines for my EX - I'm getting a set. See www.russellperformance.com. I have tested the Ex's travel and eliminated better than 2/3 by clamping off all the flex lines (while parked- do not try this on the road-Ha,Ha).

Richard - on the road to better braking!!!

Pharmer

• Mackinaw City, MI, USA

• Registered on 12/19/2002

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Posted:12/2/2003 19:03

Mine lasted about 60K miles, agreed to have Ford dealer resurface and keep old pads. That lasted till 68K miles. Lucky I guess to have lasted this long. Has anybody replaced with Raybestos rotors and pads?

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