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bourbonman
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 Posted:2/8/2003 12:14 |
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What is the last model year for the Excursion 2003 or 2004? From the reports I read it is 2004 does that mean all Excursions made in 2003 are considered the 2004 model year?
Any idea on the changes between 2003 and 2004 models?
The changes between the 2002 and 2003 model years are from what I have read are.
1. 6.0 Liter diesel and 5 spd transmission. That alone is a big major change. For me the transmission is even more important than the 6.0 liter diesel. I have a 2002 7.3 Liter now and the 4 spd auto is lethargic especially on entrance ramps on the highway. Heard it was the torque converter that is the major downfall. And that life expectancy of the trans behind all that torque of the 7.3 liter diesel is starved due to the pressures generated (or lack there of) from the transmission hydraulic pump.
the 5 spd trans was developed right along with the 6.0 Liter 32 valve diesel so they are mated to each other vs the 4 spd transmission which must accomodate the other two gasoline engines.
2. Read a in-house ford magazine stating that there are shock and bump stop revisions on the 2003 excursion. To allow for lower speed pot hole handling.
Hope this revision helps handling. Also something mentioned about a rear sway bar. I thought the 2002 model has one seems like they indicated them actually putting one on for the 2003 model year.
3. There is a grab handle on the pillar of the drivers side now as well.
that is it I think from remembering the magazine. |
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E. Long
 
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Posted:2/8/2003 12:48 |
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| Quote: | | What is the last model year for the Excursion 2003 or 2004? From the reports I read it is 2004 does that mean all Excursions made in 2003 are considered the 2004 model year? |
Hi Rick, welcome to the site!
From what I understand is that the last model year of the Excursion will be the 2004's. What this means is the models coming out at the end of 2003 (considered 2004 models) will be it. So basically, after the 2003 model, there will be one more opportunity for major revisions to the Excursion. My guess is that the bugs will be ironed out of the new 6.0L Powerstroke and the 5-speed automatic transmission.
The rumor is that the "next" Excursion or whatever vehicle replaces it will be a longer wheelbase Expedition. Who knows if that's true or when/if it'll come out. I am still not sure why Ford is discontinuing the Excursion in its current form. There is just nothing else out there quite like it and they seem to be "stealing" a lot of buyers away from the competition for such a unique vehicle. I'm glad I have my 2000 and have no plans to get rid of it (ever)! 72,000 miles and still going strong...
-Eric
'67 Galaxie 500 - 390 FE, .030" over, FE to AOD adapter, disc brake conversion. The Daily Driver.
'00 Excursion - 7.3L PSD, LANDYOT Gen-II Radius Rods, Factory Tech Valve Body, 200K+ miles and going |
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bourbonman
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Posted:2/8/2003 14:00 |
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| Quote: | | Quote: | | What is the last model year for the Excursion 2003 or 2004? From the reports I read it is 2004 does that mean all Excursions made in 2003 are considered the 2004 model year? |
Hi Rick, welcome to the site!
From what [b]I[/b] understand is that the last model year of the Excursion will be the 2004's. What this means is the models coming out at the end of 2003 (considered 2004 models) will be it. So basically, after the 2003 model, there will be one more opportunity for major revisions to the Excursion. My guess is that the bugs will be ironed out of the new 6.0L Powerstroke and the 5-speed automatic transmission.
The rumor is that the "next" Excursion or whatever vehicle replaces it will be a longer wheelbase Expedition. Who knows if that's true or when/if it'll come out. I am still not sure why Ford is discontinuing the Excursion in its current form. There is just nothing else out there quite like it and they seem to be "stealing" a lot of buyers away from the competition for such a unique vehicle. I'm glad I have my 2000 and have no plans to get rid of it (ever)! 72,000 miles and still going strong... |
Thanks Eric;
My story is shopped around between a gmc yukon and an Excursion. gmc had no diesel Ford did w/44 gal fueltank considerably larger than the gmc. So I got a 2002 black monochromatic limited ultimate found one at carsdirect with all options except the 2nd row captains chairs and no limited slip (that hurt cuz i wanted that one bad) but the price was right $43,000.00 out the door with a $2,000.00 rebate. Put $20,000.00 down payment and have $422.06 monthly payments. Love that fact. BUT 25 DEC 2002 an cadillac escalade blasted into my truck parked in front of my house. Coming home from a christmas party my street was blocked off with cops. Parked the E-320 4-Matic M-Benz in the garage walked to the front of my house and found that the whole street looked like a car crash derby. The driver of the escalade all in all blasted a total of 10 cars. He railroaded a lady driving a ford crown vic down my street for 5 blocks pushing her thru a traffic light intersection. The lady said she locked up her brakes to no avail the escalade powered thru that. Across the street in front of my house was a driveway for her to turn out of his path she turned left and he veered right where my Excursion was parked blasted into my drivers side door and fender commensed to flip the escalade and totalled and unmarked cop car pushing the other vehicles into one another. The escalade and the unmarked cop car a crown vic melded into one. My truck moved up and onto the curb slightly his escalade front right wheel was ripped off at the axle. $6,000 worth of damage to my truck. Got it fixed. Since my truck was heavier his truck was the weak link. My truck only had 4500 miles and was bought in june making it only six months old... Man was i pissed and i hate escalades now. when ever they drive near me on the road they always drive aggressive. just like i hate vw jetta's when i am driving the benz they act cocky..
so now i got a trade in estimate of $30,000 from the dealer for a 2003 6.0 liter excursion with my limited slip rear end. no rebates. pursuing the insurance company for what is called diminished value. it is like pulling teeth... i told the insurance company that if a carfax check is done that accident would show up. and i want diminished value since i might have to reveal the accident. the math is that i have some equity in my truck. but there is a $15,000.00 difference. my 2002 stickered at $51,000.00 and am offered $30,000 for it with only 4500 miles. i guess my question is do you think the loss is worth it just to get the 6.0 liter diesel? My 2002 Excursion seems fine after having being fixed and is covered for the life of the vehicle. I really hate that 4 spd transmission in the 2002. the 5 spd in the benz is great and i am spoiled i guess. and am hoping that the 5 spd in the 6.0 liter will have similar performance.
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monsta
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Posted:2/8/2003 14:31 |
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Rick,
If it were me I'd wait for the 6.0L. It is having some major teething problems right now.
Continue to pursue diminished value, by all means!
I sure wouldn't look to trade your PROVEN PSD in for a new one just yet. Plus for about $2500-3000 bucks you can make that 4R100 absolutely bullet-proof or rather PSD proof!  A BTS tranny gets rave reviews. Or you can talk to "gearman" here on the site. He is our local [i]automagic[/i] tranny guru. 
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bourbonman
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Posted:2/8/2003 14:37 |
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| Quote: | Rick,
If it were me I'd wait for the 6.0L. It is having some major teething problems right now.
Continue to pursue diminished value, by all means!
I sure wouldn't look to trade your PROVEN PSD in for a new one just yet. Plus for about $2500-3000 bucks you can make that 4R100 absolutely bullet-proof or rather PSD proof! A BTS tranny gets rave reviews. Or you can talk to "gearman" here on the site. He is our local [i]automagic[/i] tranny guru.
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Ken;
Thanks for the input. Where are you tracking these issues? Should I wait for the 2004 Excursion then? My truck is fine. I just want to do all of the research I can on 2003 6.0 Liter issues.
Thanks
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birdman127
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 Posted:2/9/2003 06:23 |
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| Quote: | [quote]Rick,
If it were me I'd wait for the 6.0L. It is having some major teething problems right now.
Continue to pursue diminished value, by all means!
I sure wouldn't look to trade your PROVEN PSD in for a new one just yet. Plus for about $2500-3000 bucks you can make that 4R100 absolutely bullet-proof or rather PSD proof! A BTS tranny gets rave reviews. Or you can talk to "gearman" here on the site. He is our local [i]automagic[/i] tranny guru.
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Rumor I heard is late feb or march next year is it. Then the longer expy will arrive a yr or so later. The 6.0 is having some problems right now, haven't heard anything bad about the tranny though. I would wait to the end of the yr for the 04's and the bug fixes. Look up Gearman as Monsta said or look up BTS tranny's
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bourbonman
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Posted:2/10/2003 09:23 |
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Wonder if the extended version of the expedition will have the diesel engine? Might not have it since i seem to recall that for any engine trans for a specific chassis has to under go alot of testing ie crash testing, fuel mileage testing before it can be approved by some goverment agency. With fords current state of affairs the diesel might not come with it during the first few production runs.
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gearman
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Posted:2/10/2003 10:41 |
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i agree with monsta about the new 6.0 motor and 5speed trans.alot of problems right now.thats why i canceled my order on the new X and bought a 01. i will waite a year or two.as far as the 4R100,we can make them work just fine.BTS,Suncoast,even me 
mike
01 excursion psd hellwig rear stabalizer 285 michelins suncoast converter transmission custom built with Transgo shift kit,by me.
TTS computer chip,next mod-TTS exhaust system
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bourbonman
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Posted:2/10/2003 16:32 |
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Gentlemen;
I am really taking what you have to say to heart!!! So you absolutey reccomend me not getting a 2003 6.0 liter diesel excursion? The dealer will be rcving one this week from the factory. Aren't the problems on the EARLY nov 2002 6.0 liter diesels? The software reflashes that are done means they are available to the dealer now and would that not mean they are updated from the factory by now? Most of the problems seem software issues.
My 2002 got blasted by an escalade and i hate pay on a truck that has had $6,000.00 of repairs on it with only 4500 miles on the odometer. All my ebay checks for completed bids on 2002 excursions models that are similar hardly if ever get $30,000.00 on the closing bid. The dealer is willing to give me $30,000.00 trade in value. The truck runs fine drives straight and the repair shop is reputable for as long as i own the vehicle. The damage that the escalade did was to the driver door and hit mainly on the front drivers side wheel. I just dont want a leaking windshield creaks in the dash assembly and the door rattling.
I was hoping to cash out while i still have equity in my truck for a new 6.0l. So i guess i have to weigh what could happen to a new truck with the 6.0 under warranty vs a cracked up vehicle that was repaired yet can still get half way descent trade in value. Cuz if i wait and go to sell it later that accident might show up on carfax or something. The dealer already knows about the accident. And I am getting the new truck for approx. $47,373.00 before taxes. If I go to sell my truck I could take a $10,000 hit on value on my truck at a later date. Carfax might not have me since this incident is fairly new 25 dec 2002.
I would appreciate your take since I am not even sure there will be a 2004 model year yet. Meaning they will stop making the trucks this year vs any at all in 2004.
I want to catch the tail end of production if possible.
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