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Maurice Cox
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 Posted:8/25/2004 15:07 |
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Hoping to be in the market for a fullsize SUV in the next few months and am starting my homework.
Right now, it's between the Excursion and Suburban. Want diesel, need all the room. Not sure which is in the lead, as I prefer the PS to the 6.5L in the Chebby, but I prefer the prices I'm finding with the 'burbans.
That said, which years of Expeditions came with which PS?
Is the 6.0 that much better than the 7.3 to warrant the price differences, ignoring overall age of the vehcile?
How is transmission reliablity? We're looking because our Windstar tranny crapped out, and we had an older Taurus that did as well.
Anything else I should be aware of?
Thanks!
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LANDYOT
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• Newport News, VA, USA |
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 Posted:8/25/2004 19:28 |
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| Quote: | | That said, which years of Expeditions came with which PS? |
To the best of my recollection, none of the "Expeditions" came with diesel engines. Now on the other hand, I cannot say with 100% certainty, which model year EXCURSIONS were available with a diesel.
I can't answer most of your questions beyond suggesting you spend a few hours reading many, many posts on this website, and another linked below (mine is a V10 gasser). I've had no drivetrain problems at all (bought used at 53K miles, now has close to 80K). If I had it to over again, I'd get a diesel ... 7.3 or 6.0 ... doesn't matter to me.
You can also research www.thedieselstop.com |
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birdman127
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• baltimore, MD, USA |
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Posted:8/25/2004 20:21 |
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| Quote: | Hoping to be in the market for a fullsize SUV in the next few months and am starting my homework.
Right now, it's between the Excursion and Suburban. Want diesel, need all the room. Not sure which is in the lead, as I prefer the PS to the 6.5L in the Chebby, but I prefer the prices I'm finding with the 'burbans.
That said, which years of Expeditions came with which PS?
Is the 6.0 that much better than the 7.3 to warrant the price differences, ignoring overall age of the vehcile?
How is transmission reliablity? We're looking because our Windstar tranny crapped out, and we had an older Taurus that did as well.
Anything else I should be aware of?
Thanks!
mo |
Welcome Mo
1999 was the last year for the 6.5 in a burb. 5.3L....6.0....8.1....all gas motors
PSD is the bomb
Expeditions are smaller brother to the excursion....no diesel option....Yet!
cant go wrong with either diesel....7.3 tried and proven ol workhorse 6.0 new stallion on the lot.
Trannys are fine until souping up the motor or heavy towing.
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Scott
2000 ltd 6.8 V10*4.30LS*
Lots of mods
check my gallery
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Gen-X
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• Toronto, XX, Canada |
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• Registered on 1/19/2004 |
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Posted:8/25/2004 20:25 |
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| Quote: | Hoping to be in the market for a fullsize SUV in the next few months and am starting my homework.
Right now, it's between the Excursion and Suburban. Want diesel, need all the room. Not sure which is in the lead, as I prefer the PS to the 6.5L in the Chebby, but I prefer the prices I'm finding with the 'burbans.
That said, which years of Expeditions came with which PS?
Is the 6.0 that much better than the 7.3 to warrant the price differences, ignoring overall age of the vehcile?
How is transmission reliablity? We're looking because our Windstar tranny crapped out, and we had an older Taurus that did as well.
Anything else I should be aware of?
Thanks!
mo |
LANDYOT is right, the Expedition is built on the older F150 frame. Ford did do testing with that frame and the PSD. The results where the PSD 7.3L would twist the frame.
The 6.0L is a nice engine however I'd be happy we either. The new tranny (Torqshift) is in it's 3rd model year and I've heard of no major issues. It shifts really nice and the tow/Haul mode locks the convertor to help with big loads.
To your comment about Ford trannys , I have heard of tranny problem with the WindStar and the old F150. |
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Orf
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• Pittsburgh, PA, USA |
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Posted:8/25/2004 22:22 |
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| Quote: | Ford did do testing with that frame and the PSD. The results where the PSD 7.3L would twist the frame.
The 6.0L is a nice engine however I'd be happy we either. |
I owned Expeditions (a '97 and an '03) for 6 years before buying my Excursion. I also toured MTP, where they built the Expeditions, in 2000. At that time, they said neither the V10 nor the 7.3 PSD would fit under the hood. They were testing a "little brother" to the 6.0 PSD, a 4.5 PSD. Essentially it was the 6.0 with two cyliders lopped off. That was the motor that had too much torque for the frame. When the Expedition was redesigned in '03, they left enough room under the hood to squeeze a V10 in there, provided they swapped the belt driven radiator fan with twin electrics. |
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Maurice Cox
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• Old Orchard Beach, ME, USA |
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Posted:8/26/2004 05:32 |
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I said Expedition, but meant Excursion. 
I've been doing lots of reading. Lots of good stuff and it's always good to get first hand reports about these things. I figured the transmission problems probably wouldn't start showing up until putting them under some heavy loads and/or more engine torque.
I'll just sit in the back and listen now. |
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birdman127
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• baltimore, MD, USA |
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Posted:8/26/2004 06:12 |
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| Quote: | I said Expedition, but meant Excursion.
I'll just sit in the back and listen now. |
Gas X's go used for 17,000 --30,000
Diesel X's go used for 28,000 -- 32,000 at least around here in the Balto0--D.C. area.
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2000 ltd 6.8 V10*4.30LS*
Lots of mods
check my gallery
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E. Long
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• Atlanta, GA, USA |
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Posted:8/26/2004 10:53 |
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Which year Excursions had diesels
2000 was the first year of the Excursion (commonly referred to as the "X") and the V8, V10, and Powerstroke have been options on the X since day 1.
7.3 vs. 6.0
The 6.0 Powerstrokes were introduced in the late 2003 model year. As a result, you'll find some 2003's with a 7.3 or a 6.0L powerstroke. I would aim for a 2004 6.0L because the early 2003 models had issues.
Transmissions
With the 6.0L powerstroke, Ford went to a 5-speed automatic transmission. These models come with a transmission temperature gauge and two transmission "modes" for driving/towing. Haven't heard of any major woes with these transmission but speaking from past experience, I've had Ford transmissions die in my Ford trucks under 100,000 miles. My trans died in my '00 X at 87,000 miles. I did run a chip, though.
Warranties
You didn't mention it, but I thought I'd bring it up. Powerstrokes have a 100,000 mile transferable warranty. If you buy used, and the X has a PSD with less than 100,000 miles, the engine will be warrantied ($100 deductible) up to 100,000 miles.
Size
I'm not sure if you're considering a 3/4 ton Suburban or a 1/2 ton. I would consider a 1/2-ton Suburban a much different vehicle than an Excursion. All Excursions have 3/4-ton suspensions and typically ride "more like a truck." In seeing conversations in this forum as well as others, one of the main complaints about new X owners is the ride quality, particularly if they came from a 1/2-ton SUV. I always thought the ride quality was nice, but I came from a '97 3/4-ton F250 which rode like the frame was attached directly to the axles without any shocks or springs.
Aside from the suspension, the overall size of the Excursion is obviously larger than the Suburban. You can tow more and haul more quite comfortably. It's truly a vehicle that can allow you to virtually do anything and go anywhere.
-Eric
'67 Galaxie 500 - 390 FE, .030" over, FE to AOD adapter, disc brake conversion. The Daily Driver.
'00 Excursion - 7.3L PSD, LANDYOT Gen-II Radius Rods, Factory Tech Valve Body, 200K+ miles and going |
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